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Lost Experience

wesb




Sep 7, 06 - 6:06 AM Lost Experience

I know that not everyone's all that interested in the Lost Experience as it's been unfolding this summer, but you might be interested in checking out the Sri Lanka video, which has been appearing in fragments. It includes the Mother Of All Dharma Orientation Films, which tells a lot about what the Dharma Initiative was all about, what they were doing on the island, the significance of the numbers, and a lot more. Right now, there's one last fragment to be revealed (69 of 70 fragments have been released) and I'm suspecting that it'll end up revealing one last surprise. It's worth a look.
Greybishop




Sep 7th, 2006 - 6:17 AM Re: Lost Experience

Not to be lazy, but, got any links we could follow?
wesb




Sep 7th, 2006 - 6:40 AM Re: Lost Experience

If you check www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Hansoexposed.com, you'll get the latest information on the revealed fragments. Right now, you can scroll down and see that 69 of the 70 fragments have been revealed. When number 70 appears, that'll be Big News and I'm hoping they'll end it with a Big Bang. Don't worry about what a glyph is. That's for the people actually searching for the fragments. To see a video of the fragments as they've been pieced together so far, go to www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Sri_Lanka_Video, and then scroll to the bottom to "External Links" and click on "YouTube Sri Lanka Video Updates." Sorry for the roundabout way, but the postings (and the links) to the YouTube video keep changing. May as well let LostPedia keep track of that link for us.
wesb




Sep 7th, 2006 - 6:58 AM Re: Lost Experience

BTW, just to give a little extra background info to someone viewing the Sri lanka video for the first time. It was supposedly shot in recent months. It begins with the old Dharma Orientation video, narrated by Alvar Hanso. It then moves to a briefing given by a Hanso official who Lost Experience followers know as Thomas Mittelwerk, who appears to have taken over the Hanso Foundation. (Alvar apparently hasn't appeared publicly for years. Has Mittelwerk disposed of him in a coup?)

The two different segments show the difference between the Hanso Foundation then and now. The underlying message is that Hanso has always been working to change the values of some of the numbers, has not been sucessful, and is now resorting to measures that Alvar Hanso would not have approved of.
Greybishop




Sep 7th, 2006 - 7:14 AM Re: Lost Experience

Thanks wesb.
I'll be taking a look at that tonight...
You rock.
wesb




Sep 7th, 2006 - 7:21 AM Re: Lost Experience

GB;

You know me well enough by now not to have to be so formal. You don't have to call me wesb...

You can call me Wes...
Greybishop




Sep 7th, 2006 - 7:45 AM Re: Lost Experience

Can do Wes...
I just assumed that "wesb" was some sort of "handle" that had significance. Since it's only 4 letters it wasn't appropriate to shorten it (What could it be shortened to? ) so I just used the whole thing.
Unlike mine, Lady-in-Gray, LostBean or Crazy4Lost, there just wasn't a little acronym to be used...
I thought that "wesb" might BE an acronym...
Looking back now, I feel kinda dumb ...
I gather it represents an actual name, Wes B.
So, Wes it is...
wesb




Sep 7th, 2006 - 9:10 AM Re: Lost Experience

I guess it easily could have been an acronym. There's certainly no need to feel that you could have done differently. Actually, I was making a (feeble) attempt at humor (humour?)in suggesting that you'd be less formal by dropping a single letter from my handle. People can call me by either name and I have no problem with it. Of course, I'm more used to being called by my real name. Six of one, half a dozen of the other...
Greybishop




Sep 7th, 2006 - 10:21 AM Re: Lost Experience

We could always just go with "W".

Lady-in-Gray




Sep 7th, 2006 - 10:34 AM Re: Lost Experience

While we are talking about what to call each other , l-i-g can be kind of awkward to type . Prettyeyes called me Lady once. That felt good to me .
Greybishop




Sep 7th, 2006 - 10:45 AM Re: Lost Experience

L-i-G -
I thought about "Lady" but a kid I grew up with had a dog named "Lady" so it felt as if I were being insulting...
But, you're right. "L-i-G" almost always ties my fingers in knots when I go to it...
wesb




Sep 7th, 2006 - 10:46 AM Re: Lost Experience

As far as short names go, "Lady" for LIG seems very appropriate. As far as a short name for me, I think W may already be taken...
LOSTbean




Sep 7th, 2006 - 11:45 AM Re: Lost Experience

did that whole dissertation of being less formal by calling wesb "wes" really just happen?!?! you guys are a bunch of goofs! too funny! so, for now, wesb is now wes. LIG is now lady. i am good with LB (as those are my real initials anyways) or beaner (my favorite) or lostbean or dimwit or...
Lady-in-Gray




Sep 7th, 2006 - 12:00 PM Re: Lost Experience

GB: I love dogs. They're good people, too! No insult would be taken.
bil-a-bong




Sep 7th, 2006 - 7:36 PM Re: Lost Experience

"A rose by any other name..."

or,

"You don't have to call me darlin, darlin, you never even call me by my name"


wesb




Sep 8th, 2006 - 5:05 AM Re: Lost Experience

Just wondering if anyone has checked the links and looked at the Sri Lanka video. While it explains a lot, there seem to be a lot more gaps in the Dharma Orientation film than would seem warranted by the fact that only one segment remains to be revealed. It may have been heavily edited. Also, the sound is garbled at the one point where Alvar Hanso mentions a number that would allow us to know when the orientation film was made. That could have been used to make it look a lot older than it is, so as to justify the "radical action" that Mittelwerk is justifying in the second half. It's possible that Mittelwerk's statement that "the Dharma Initiative failed" may be only opinion, and that Hanso's comments are only years, rather than decades old. That would suggest that Mittelwerk's plans in engineering a virus that would knowingly kill a lot of people might have been opposed by Hanso.
Greybishop




Sep 8th, 2006 - 5:57 AM Re: Lost Experience

W-
It's on my agenda for this evening/weekend...
wesb




Sep 8th, 2006 - 8:21 AM Re: Lost Experience

Well, the final fragment has been revealed. My feelings are mixed on it... Basically, I think we'd all assumed that "the numbers" they were referring to are the same numbers that we see occurring all over the place in Lost. The final segment verifies this. So, the numbers 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42 are the basic parameters that describe the human environment and how long the human race has to live before it extinguishes itself. The (claimed) purpose of the Dharma Initiative was to try to change some of these numbers. (Apparently the equation that uses them to predict the lifetime of the human race is none too optimistic...)

Those of you who haven't seen the video yet may want to wait an hour or two; it may take a bit for someone to assemble all 70 segments and post them on YouTube.

An interesting speculation... if part of the whole Lost story is to recount the changing of one or more of the numbers, we may see it manifested in the series by the fact that the mysterious appearances of the sequence start changing; maybe eventually we'll see a 4, 9, 15, 17, 23, 41, or something. My guess is that they'll start changing for the worse before they start changing for the better...
wesb




Sep 8th, 2006 - 9:22 AM Re: Lost Experience

The completed video has been posted to YouTube. At the moment it's at http://www.youtube.com/timdorr. This could change as that user updates his space, but it's there now. Enjoy...
Lady-in-Gray




Sep 8th, 2006 - 2:15 PM Re: Lost Experience

Wes: I watched the video. Many questions . Did I watch segment 70 or segments 1-70?

What did I watch ? Of all of the different things that could annihilate the human race, why are they focused on ONLY a virus?!?

Regarding this virus: too many questions to list!
Lady-in-Gray




Sep 8th, 2006 - 2:47 PM Re: Lost Experience

One thing that I find interesting is the word "change" which seems to pop up a lot. At the end of Season 2, the hatch explosion "changed" Charlie. In Wes's video reference, Dharma was trying to "change" the formula numbers. In the Season 3 promos, "On the island, I can be anybody. Who will I be?" which infers "change".....
wesb




Sep 11th, 2006 - 5:38 AM Re: Lost Experience

Lady;

The video is somewhat darker than you think. They're not concentrating on a virus that might destroy the human race; these prople are _creating_ the virus and testing it out on unsuspecting people! The claimed purpose is that because they were not able to change "the numbers" through more conventional means, this virus is part of a more radical attempt to do so. It's somehting along the lines of "sacrificing" a small number to save a larger number.

The first portion was an older video by Alvar Hanso, apparently edited, stating the initial purpose of the Dharma Initiative. The second part was a recent briefing by Mittelwerk, to the Hanso workers who will be working with the human guinea pigs used to test the virus they're creating. BTW, it ends with the person secretly filming the briefing getting caught in the act. That person is Rachel Blake, another new character introduced in the Lost Experience, who's trying to expose what the Hanso Foundation is doing. We don't know how she got away from the Hanso folks, but she apparently managed to do so, to get the video out so we could see it.

And the answer to your other question is, you did see segments 1-70. Since they were released in random order, this is one person's guess on the order they are supposed to be in.
wesb




Sep 11th, 2006 - 6:02 AM Re: Lost Experience

Lady;

I'm responding to your second note separately, because it deserves its own treatment. In many many stories, the main character goes through some sort of change. This is what makes the stories interesting. In this series, they're doing it pretty much to all the characters at the same time, which I don't think I've ever seen done before. The characters that don't have as much capacity for interesting changes get killed off. The writers call the changes "redemption," but that's just a key word for positive change. (In a very different set of stories, Anakin Skywalker goes through negative change in his journey to become Darth Vader...)

It seems to me that the only characters they killed off were either characters without a lot of room for interesting change or Ana Lucia, whose actress wanted from the start to be there for just a single season. Right now, the cast they have are ripe for all kinds of change, so it's at least likely that they'll keep them all around for a while, provided that they want to stay in the series.

You're right that each season seems to have a different "look" to it. Season 1 was basic survival and introduction to the island. Season 2 was the hatch and a peek at the island's history. Deeper mysteries were revealed. The producers have pretty much said that the hatch is gone in season 3, and I think I've read somewhere that the sets for it have been disassembled, so we're likely to see little, if any of it. So it looks like season 3 will have yet another theme. This seems kinda clever to me, as they can begin the season by concentrating on a new "story," which will allow new viewers to follow it. They can gradually bring up the older mysteries, allowing the new viewers to get caught up without being overwhelmed.
Lady-in-Gray




Sep 11th, 2006 - 7:32 AM Re: Lost Experience

Thanks, Wes. I'm going to mull all of that over for awhile. Especially about the virus.

posted by Greybishop @ 10:56 AM