Alex
| Lady-in-Gray Nov 9, 06 - 4:54 AM | Alex I have a logic question about Alex which I've never seen addressed. Both Danielle and the Others call her Alex. If I remember correctly, she was kidnapped as an infant. An infant doesn't know their own name, so how do the Others know that her name is Alex .......  It appears as though Ben and Juliet raised her ..... Alex does seeem to have her mother's spunk, doesn't she! |
| cclost Nov 9th, 2006 - 6:41 AM |  Re: Alex I think if Rousseau is on the island(which they seem to monitor), and if they have possibly gotten her shipmates, well, then they know her name. But why keep it? Why not change her name? It seems changing it would seperate her even more from her mother.. I wonder what they meant by "Alex is home" last night. This was one of the most interesting little nuggets last night. They snuck it in without much fanfare. |
| wesb Nov 9th, 2006 - 7:55 AM | Re: Alex To me, the "Alex is home" comment suggested Otherville. (It was said in the Hydra station, which is on the second island.) This suggests that Alex is not a rebel, living off in the jungle, but a "problem child" that they tolerate in their midst. It's hard to figure when to believe her and when her comments just suggest some mental problems in the family. (Rousseau IS her mother, after all...) |
sawsee  Nov 9th, 2006 - 2:29 PM | Re: Alex Hi All! I peeked at the EW board and decided to stay away! This may be unfair but Alex seemed a bit wild-eyed; I wonder if she has instability issues like her mom? As everyone knows, I do like to put forth questionable ideas, so to be consistent: Could Ben have suffered an arrow shot from Rousseau after he had gone to tell her about Alex?? Does Rousseau know Ben? Her former husband? Jacob reminded me of the toy 'Jacob's ladder'. Jacob's ladder also exists as an electrical device; I'm sure everyone as seen it before in old Sci Fi movies, where electricity dances and climbs between two poles. Similar to Tesla coils, it emits Ultraviolet rays. Apparently, by placing one in a cylinder it produces a deep droning sound----like what happened when the hatch imploded?? 'See' everyone on the EW board once Wes clears off the trolls. |
| JDH Nov 9th, 2006 - 3:15 PM | Re: Alex biblical referrences to Jacob - the children of Jacob the choosen people stairway to heaven Jacob's ladder The Others could be some annology (sp?) of the Children of Jacob. Jacob could be HIM. I'm also wondering about an annology for purgatory and the island. Not being dead, but displaced. |
| sawsee Nov 9th, 2006 - 3:44 PM | Re: Alex Hi JDH! That's cool about the 'stairway to heaven' connection with Jacob's ladder! Not sure how reliable of info this is, but one site said that a Jacob's ladder toy was found in King tut's tomb. If this is true, it ties into the Egyptian link with the hieroglyphics. The other interesting thing was Ben's remark to Jack, "See you on the other side." I guess we can wait for all the trolls to disappear and then have fun disecting Lost over the break. Cheers! |
| Crazy4Lost Nov 9th, 2006 - 5:14 PM | Re: Alex sawsee - That remark "see you on the other side" was also made by Locke's father just before the kidney transplant. |
| JDH Nov 9th, 2006 - 7:09 PM | Re: Alex There seems to be a lot of that repetition of dialogue going on. Someone mentioned that Ben said to Locke something about Stephen King and soup. Ben had said the same to Juliet, S.King in a round about way. Locke and Jack were always doing that. Hi sawsee! It is really good to see everyone here. |
| JDH Nov 9th, 2006 - 7:38 PM | Re: Alex Oh! I had a thought. Danielle said she was part of a research team. What if the team was meant to come to the island to be a relief team for one of the stations - or as part of the Dharma group of scientists? What if she met Ben and shacked up with him. Making Alex truly his daughter. Something happens. Dharma scientists vanish. Ben forms the Others out of straglers and Danielle heads out on her own. Finds out she is pregnant. Ben finds out too, and wants the baby. Danielle may have been Dharma but not an Other. |
| sawsee Nov 9th, 2006 - 9:38 PM | Re: Alex C4L: What a great catch, with Locke's father saying 'see you on the other side!" JDH: I like your theory! I bet there was some shenanigans between Ben and Rousseau. If Alex knows that Rousseau is her mother that may have started the rift between her and Ben. Seeing Carl get hauled away may have pushed Alex over the edge! |
| wesb Nov 10th, 2006 - 5:49 AM | Re: Alex Alex's incident with her slingshot suggests that she's as paranoid as her mother, Danielle Rousseau. (Looks like a little too much chlorine in that gene pool...) The reactions of the others suggest that she's a "problem child" that they tolerate, but who causes occasional trouble for them. She's unpredictable, but her random acts of sabotage may end up useful at a crucial moment. And while Alex and her mother are both paranoid, they may both also be delusional. For Danielle Rousseau, that could mean that part or all of her story is made up. For all we know, she may have been part of the original Dharma team, "went native," and only believes that everyone else has died. (Perhaps the Mother of all Cases of Postpartum Depression...) If she had run off into the jungle while pregnant, it would make sense that her colleagues would come and "save" the baby once it was born. If her "lover" happened to be Ben and he was Alex's father, it would explain both why they tolerate such a bratty saboteur in their midst, and why Ben asked about her at a time when people would ordinarily be thinking of their loved ones. |
| JDH Nov 10th, 2006 - 6:18 AM | Re: Alex The only thing that doesn't make sense about that is, when she had Ben in the net - why did she hand him over to Sayid and not use him as a bargaining chip to get her daughter instead? Unless she has an uneasy truce with the Others. |
| Jess Nov 10th, 2006 - 9:23 AM | Re: Alex I LOVE wesb's idea that Rousseau is completely delusional, Benry is Alex's father, etc. BUT, I thought she said she was already pregnant when they shipwrecked on the island....? |
| Lady-in-Gray Nov 10th, 2006 - 10:17 AM | Re: Alex Jess: I believe you might be correct about that. |
| wesb Nov 10th, 2006 - 10:36 AM | Re: Alex Hi, all... If Rousseau is delusional, she may not have been shipwrecked at all. She could have been pregnant (by Ben ...yeah, I know, try not to think about it...) when she came to the island. Remember, if she's delusional and has run off to live by herself, she'll have made up a story, explaining at least to herself, how she got there. And there's no reason we should start believing Ben now when he says he's lived all his life on the island... |
| wesb Nov 10th, 2006 - 10:42 AM | Re: Alex JDH - Your comment about Rousseau turning Ben over to Sayid instead of bargaining with him is significant... could leave my idea in worse shape than the Swan Hatch... I'll have to think about it... Unless she felt the Others wouldn't hand over Alex or just wanted Ben dead but couldn't do the deed herself. (She did scream to Sayid to kill him...) It's worth some thought... |
| JDH Nov 10th, 2006 - 10:59 AM | Re: Alex Maybe Danielle knows something about "killing", and wanted Sayid to do what she could not. A security system would probably be opposed to killing. I don't know, the deeper I get with explanations of explanations the more I think I'm getting away from the main point or getting further from a reasonalbe answer. |
| cclost Nov 10th, 2006 - 1:35 PM | Re: Alex I love the ides that Danielle came to the island with a Dharma team. Now hold on because my ideas are a little crazy and sci fi but here goes: Part of the rouge Dharma group we saw in TLE (the lost experience) said we need to get the bodies right away, maybe they are kind of, dare I say it, bringing people back to life. Kind of like the daughter of Clairs Psychic that Eko encounters and maybe this is also how Jack's ex-wife was really saved. I have a feeling that smokey can scan your brain and show you your past- and maybe if they get a body (jacks dad, yemi) they can bring them back to life (or lifish). But it would maybe be a different life. Maybe some of these lives constitute the other others wandering in the woods with no shoes. Maybe the organized others are folks brought back to life that have run away from the program (free will). Maybe this is why ben says that he has been on the island his whole life- his "life" he means starting when he was brought back. Maybe the incident is the experiment with the others gone bad. So, maybe Ben was part of the French team, had a relationship with Danielle then was killed by smokey and came back to life as other Ben. Yeah, this all sounds pretty scifi and I would rather see some more logical explination, but some of this could make sense. |
| sawsee Nov 11th, 2006 - 9:09 AM | Re: Alex Wow! I really like everyone's speculations! Rousseau's map shows a boat; what if she was became extremely upset over the experiments her research team were doing and left in her boat. After weeks of sailing in circles she ended up back on the main island. As CClost states: She may of thought they were dead; possibly she pulled a life support plug while they were undergoing experiments, thus believing that she killed them. I also like CCL's idea that the 'other others' may be altered and part of an experiment gone awry. JDH: Excellent point about why Rousseau did not use Ben as a bargaining tool. It may show that she is very disconnected (As WES states: too much chlorine!) in her understanding of the others and who they really are. Scouring the internet yesterday, I saw a few claims that the guns that Jack found are old German ones from the 40's. This totally connects to Bil's idea about the Nazis. EW Board: Not sure when it will be safe to return there. Wesb: You are a braver soul than I! Should we think about transplanting ourselves away from EW's board, onto a troll-free board? |
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